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Old 04-05-2008
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I was just thinking of all the REALLY bad movies that they have made based after comic books......

TWO really stand out:

The Punisher (Thomas Jane Version)

Spawn

I also thought Cage's Ghost Rider was pretty bad.
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I was just thinking of all the REALLY bad movies that they have made based after comic books......

TWO really stand out:

The Punisher (Thomas Jane Version)

Spawn

I also thought Cage's Ghost Rider was pretty bad.
I don't know about the Worst but I know two that stand out for me are The Hulk and The Fantastic Four. Both for pretty much the same reason: they had no love for the source material. Let's face it, comic books -- and I love them -- are hokey. Comic book super-heroes especially so. They simply can't be approached the way you approach other subject matter in cinema. I'm of the opinion that it takes a geek to bring what made a given superhero special on the page to the silver screen. You have to love comic books. Ang Lee is obviously a tremendous film-maker but he was a disastrous choice for a movie about a scientist who is blasted with gamma rays and turns into a big, angry, super-strong green monster. You could tell he was trying to bring more "humanity" to the character. The Hulk has plenty of humanity inherent in the story as is. But it takes a comic book nerd to see that.

The Fantastic Four was just an orgy of fear and disrespect. I don't even know or care who directed that but he seemed terrified of the source material so he chose to make light of it. Which is fine if you have some kind of respect for it. He (or she) didn't and came up with that crap. It's like when you get an actor who's uncomfortable speaking Shakespeare and you can see him giving less cuz he feels silly talking that way. You gotta commit.

That movie led directly to me not going to go see Ghost Rider.

I seem to remember liking Spawn though. Hmm...

I didn't go see Daredevil (or Elektra) because Ben Affleck was in it and Jennifer Garner, as much as I love her, I just thought couldn't be more wrong for Elektra. Elektra in the comic book, was mysterious, ruthless, exotic, sexy. Garner's extremely sexy but she's way too all-American and not what you'd call mysterious at all. So I didn't bother. Did anybody see either movie and what'd you think?

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Thumbs down Saying Superman Returns would be too easy.

First of all I have to say I liked The Punisher (yes the Thomas Jane version), The Hulk and Fantastic Four. I am a huge Punisher fan (have every issue of ... well let's just say if there is a Punisher comic book appearance I probably have it) and I really thought they did a good job with it. Other than his family being killed at a family reunion instead of a picnic and being a Gulf War vet instead of Vietnam vet, I think they got the origin pretty much right on.

I liked the Hulk and Fantastic Four because I saw them as "introductory" movies paving the way for better sequels (crossing my fingers for The Incredible Hulk.)

The movies I thought were bad were:
Steel (there were no ties to the comic book characters place in the DC universe and John Henry Irons is far too good and deep of a character to be play by Shaq.)
Howard the Duck/ The Mask (both of these comic book characters were much more violent and foul (no Howard the Duck pun there)-mouthed than their movie counterparts.
Ghost Rider (two words: Nic Cage)
There are a few others, but my beefs with them were that their origin stories were watered down (like Spawn and Blade).
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Why is no one mentioning Schumacher's Batman movies?

Ghost Rider was one of the biggest pieces of trash I have ever seen.
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Why is no one mentioning Schumacher's Batman movies?
I won't even mention those movies. As far as I am concerned the franchise ended with the second Micheal Keaton movie and picked back up for Batman Begins. The same could be said about Superman 3 and 4 if you think about it, although, Superman Returns looked good in comparison which isn't saying much.

Constantine (not only was the acting terrible, but they strayed a bit farther from the comic book than I cared for.)

Catwoman (an interesting idea, but executed poorly and no matter how skimpy her costume was I couldn't get past her cat ears sitting crooked on her head.)
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I hated CONSTANTINE and didn't really pay attention to the fact that it was a comic book adaptation.

Since the only education I have with comics is from what you give me (as I have never really read any, just glanced over them for the artwork), I can't say if a movie was a bad adaptation or not. I always state in my reviews if I haven't read the source material for a movie, so that people understand (hopefully) that I'm just reviewing the movie as a stand-alone piece.
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I hated CONSTANTINE and didn't really pay attention to the fact that it was a comic book adaptation.

Since the only education I have with comics is from what you give me (as I have never really read any, just glanced over them for the artwork), I can't say if a movie was a bad adaptation or not. I always state in my reviews if I haven't read the source material for a movie, so that people understand (hopefully) that I'm just reviewing the movie as a stand-alone piece.
Even as a stand-alone movie, I agree, Constantine was bad. In all honesty that is one thing these movies meant to do, (no not be bad) be enjoyable to those out there who are just movie enthusiasts and are not die-hard comic book fans. That is why some are great and some are terrible. That is just the risk you take when making any adaptation movie, trying to please everyone.
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I liked the Hulk and Fantastic Four because I saw them as "introductory" movies paving the way for better sequels (crossing my fingers for The Incredible Hulk.)
I don't know man...okay, yes I do: bad pacing, bad writing and bad special effects somehow manage to always kill a film for me. The Hulk had no forward thrust whatsoever, no energy, no passion, no imagination and right when things were picking up he takes one look at Connelly and stops??? If the Hulk had destroyed half of San Francisco while fighting the cops for fifteen minutes I might've forgiven Lee. This is the Hulk, baby! He was always a much more specific kind of wish-fulfillment hero. The Hulk was a big, huge child and the best thing about him were his temper tantrums that we wanted to have but couldn't -- and we got cheated. Don't get me wrong, Jennifer Connelly is one of the absolute hottest babes in the world but nah, after boring me to death for two hours Ang Lee needed to come through for a brother.

The Fantastic Four drove me fucking nuts. There is no kind of film -- not straight drama, horror, romance, thriller...super-hero -- that won't be better if you put a fucking real actor in there! Jessica Alba is volcanic, yes...until she speaks! You could never take her seriously. And they wrecked, absolutely fucking wrecked Doctor Doom who outside of the Joker is the best super-villain in all of comicdom. And the story they came up with had nothing on Lee/Kirby. I mean, you got a good hundred-plus already storyboarded scripts for you. Use them if you can't think of shit! And you know, it's a super-hero movie so I don't mean take it seriously exactly but...Raimi had the perfect approach to Spider-Man as did Chris Nolan with Batman Begins. But the tone of The Fantastic Four felt like you were watching someone laugh AT them -- and the comic book fan, not with them and not feeling the cosmic ray induced vibe.

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Hate to break the romance, you guys, but even I know that the movie you keep referring to isn't called "THE" HULK, but just HULK.

I know my Ang Lee.

But if you need further proof: http://imdb.com/title/tt0286716/

Lee dropped the "The" when the film was released.
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I don't know man...okay, yes I do: bad pacing, bad writing and bad special effects somehow manage to always kill a film for me. The Hulk had no forward thrust whatsoever, no energy, no passion, no imagination and right when things were picking up he takes one look at Connelly and stops??? If the Hulk had destroyed half of San Francisco while fighting the cops for fifteen minutes I might've forgiven Lee. This is the Hulk, baby! He was always a much more specific kind of wish-fulfillment hero. The Hulk was a big, huge child and the best thing about him were his temper tantrums that we wanted to have but couldn't -- and we got cheated. Don't get me wrong, Jennifer Connelly is one of the absolute hottest babes in the world but nah, after boring me to death for two hours Ang Lee needed to come through for a brother.

The Fantastic Four drove me fucking nuts. There is no kind of film -- not straight drama, horror, romance, thriller...super-hero -- that won't be better if you put a fucking real actor in there! Jessica Alba is volcanic, yes...until she speaks! You could never take her seriously. And they wrecked, absolutely fucking wrecked Doctor Doom who outside of the Joker is the best super-villain in all of comicdom. And the story they came up with had nothing on Lee/Kirby. I mean, you got a good hundred-plus already storyboarded scripts for you. Use them if you can't think of shit! And you know, it's a super-hero movie so I don't mean take it seriously exactly but...Raimi had the perfect approach to Spider-Man as did Chris Nolan with Batman Begins. But the tone of The Fantastic Four felt like you were watching someone laugh AT them -- and the comic book fan, not with them and not feeling the cosmic ray induced vibe.
Here is why I can look past most of what you said. The first Fantastic Four movie was slow paced and Alba was totally the wrong choice for Susan Storm (I have maintained that despite her looking rather artificial in her blond wig and blue contacts, her character was meant to be a much older mother figure to Johnny Storm.) I disagree about Doom though. He was a very egotistical genius who was very vain as well. He was involved in an accident (he blamed Reed Richards for) which left a scar, no a huge scar mind you but a noticeable scar, on his face. He had a metal mask made to cover what what considered to be his "no longer perfect face", but had it put on before the metal was cool which subsequently ruined his face permanently. Julian MacMahon had a very accurate portrayal of a younger Dr. Doom with having almost no knowledge of the character beyond newer material which is an older more experienced villain. That being said I think it was a good movie to flush out all of the major players. I bet you though Fantastic Four 2: Rise of the Silver Surfer was a better movie right? Well it is because they were able to skip all of the introductions and go straight into the story.

As for Hulk I think it was the same situation with way more background info than was needed. If they did this kind of movie with a Doc Samson or The Sentry where it wasn't a one dimensional character (which, let's face, Hulk is. "Hulk smash" need I say more?) then there would have been more interest in the back story and it would have turned out way better. This is like losing the battle only to go on to win the war. Hulk would be considered the sacrificial lamb before the victory (crossing my fingers) of The Incredible Hulk. To each their own I guess.
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