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No I have not but I will check it out if its got a great Glover performance....
Do. You'll dig it. And then compare that film to the motherfuckin' Breakfast Club bullshit...
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How well do you really know the guy? How well does anyone really know the guy? That's my fucking point. Just because he has a stupid stage name doesn't mean that he'll be awful.

Just like just because you're a rapper (or a singer) you can turn around and be an actor. (Or vice versa... because J Lo hasn't sold any albums, yannow?)

Taste is one thing. Condemnation before even seeing a trailer or teaser... basically condemnation for the sake of going with the flow because everyone else thinks rappers as actors automatically sucks, is lame. Everyone is entitled to their opinions, and apparently executives decided that he was a good decision for the role. Betcha they probably prejudged him and made him audition like regular folk so that he could prove to the powers that be that they wanted him in their movie. Why else would a huge franchise take on the all the bullshit of "Why did they cast him??" from the masses?

This isn't directed (and the previous message) wasn't directed solely at you, Tim. It was for everyone in the conversation or anyone else who passed by to read it.
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How well do you really know the guy? How well does anyone really know the guy? That's my fucking point. Just because he has a stupid stage name doesn't mean that he'll be awful.

Just like just because you're a rapper (or a singer) you can turn around and be an actor. (Or vice versa... because J Lo hasn't sold any albums, yannow?)

Taste is one thing. Condemnation before even seeing a trailer or teaser... basically condemnation for the sake of going with the flow because everyone else thinks rappers as actors automatically sucks, is lame. Everyone is entitled to their opinions, and apparently executives decided that he was a good decision for the role. Betcha they probably prejudged him and made him audition like regular folk so that he could prove to the powers that be that they wanted him in their movie. Why else would a huge franchise take on the all the bullshit of "Why did they cast him??" from the masses?

This isn't directed (and the previous message) wasn't directed solely at you, Tim. It was for everyone in the conversation or anyone else who passed by to read it.
I don't buy it, Z, babe. Not for a minute. I mean, I guess you're right in one sense, I guess he could be good. It's almost not the point. Jeffrey Wright, Wesley Snipes, Isaiah Washington, Anthony Mackie, Larenz Tate, Omar Epps, any number of other trained goddamn actors would be better. You don't see Perry Farrell or Axl Rose or Billy Corrigan or Chris Martin, Anthony Kiedis getting major roles in big budget films. Because the studios know that however charismatic they are they can't DO THE JOB the way an actor could.

Audition? Maybe Will.I. Am did and maybe not. But they didn't turn to Will.I.Am because he blew their socks off. I can stand by that statement. It's not even about the rappers. It's about the fact that studios won't give a Black ACTOR the same chance that they give a musician. And they'll have a ton of "logical" reasons for it all of which, in the end, mask their true motivations -- one of which is a profound disrespect for African-American artists for the sake of the bottom fucking line. And you know what, it's their fucking money. I can't tell them what to do with it. And I will not be drawn into dissing other African-American artists. But there is a subtle insult being perpetrated here over and over and over again by white studio heads that has to be recognized. And addressed.

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Lightbulb I would just like to add something to this.

This is taken from Wikipedia so I am not saying it 100% accurate and trustworthy, but "Will.i.am as John Wraith / Kestrel: A teleporting mutant who becomes a Weapon X test subject. It is Will.i.am's film debut. Although he initially did not get on with the casting director, he got the role because he wanted to play a mutant with the same power as Nightcrawler. He enrolled in boot camp to get into shape for the part."

There are a few things about this statement that stood out to me. It says he initially "did not get on with the casting director" which to me says something about his reading was not good enough. I wonder just what changed in order for him to get the part.

The second things is that "he enrolled in boot camp to get into shape for the part" which I respect for putting unneeded stress on his body. Let's be clear of one thing, comic book physiques are unrealistic. I am sure Mr. I. Am was not out of shape to start off, so adding the extra muscle and definition wasn't necessary for his quality of life to improve. He did it because he wanted to do the role justice (I hope as a fan.)

The third thing was "he got the role because he wanted to play a mutant with the same power as Nightcrawler" That is really all it took? Well I wanted to play Kryptonian like Superman, sign me up for the role of Conner Kent if they ever make a Superboy movie. I am wondering if he just rolled up to an order taking machine, like at the drive-through and said "I'll take one order of Nightcrawler. Oh you're all out?little or Just give me whatever is close."

Now I am not against Mr. IAM playing Wraith (I don't even really know him and he may very well give an outstanding performance which is what I hope for), I just don't like the trend of pop/rap/hip hop stars with little or no acting credits taking roles away from more experienced actors/actresses. I am not hating the players, just the coaches. Now don't make me go all Professor X on you guys and make you stop fighting with my telepathy.
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This is taken from Wikipedia so I am not saying it 100% accurate and trustworthy, but "Will.i.am as John Wraith / Kestrel: A teleporting mutant who becomes a Weapon X test subject. It is Will.i.am's film debut. Although he initially did not get on with the casting director, he got the role because he wanted to play a mutant with the same power as Nightcrawler. He enrolled in boot camp to get into shape for the part."

There are a few things about this statement that stood out to me. It says he initially "did not get on with the casting director" which to me says something about his reading was not good enough. I wonder just what changed in order for him to get the part.

The second things is that "he enrolled in boot camp to get into shape for the part" which I respect for putting unneeded stress on his body. Let's be clear of one thing, comic book physiques are unrealistic. I am sure Mr. I. Am was not out of shape to start off, so adding the extra muscle and definition wasn't necessary for his quality of life to improve. He did it because he wanted to do the role justice (I hope as a fan.)

The third thing was "he got the role because he wanted to play a mutant with the same power as Nightcrawler" That is really all it took? Well I wanted to play Kryptonian like Superman, sign me up for the role of Conner Kent if they ever make a Superboy movie. I am wondering if he just rolled up to an order taking machine, like at the drive-through and said "I'll take one order of Nightcrawler. Oh you're all out?little or Just give me whatever is close."

Now I am not against Mr. IAM playing Wraith (I don't even really know him and he may very well give an outstanding performance which is what I hope for), I just don't like the trend of pop/rap/hip hop stars with little or no acting credits taking roles away from more experienced actors/actresses. I am not hating the players, just the coaches. Now don't make me go all Professor X on you guys and make you stop fighting with my telepathy.
Why do I feel as if this was written VERY safely....lol.....guess your making sure you arent on the couch tonight....

I do agree with you though....I want to play Nightcrawler also....so that I can run through the White House and make the secret service look like Iraqi insurgents..
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I don't buy it, Z, babe. Not for a minute. I mean, I guess you're right in one sense, I guess he could be good. It's almost not the point. Jeffrey Wright, Wesley Snipes, Isaiah Washington, Anthony Mackie, Larenz Tate, Omar Epps, any number of other trained goddamn actors would be better. You don't see Perry Farrell or Axl Rose or Billy Corrigan or Chris Martin, Anthony Kiedis getting major roles in big budget films. Because the studios know that however charismatic they are they can't DO THE JOB the way an actor could.

Audition? Maybe Will.I. Am did and maybe not. But they didn't turn to Will.I.Am because he blew their socks off. I can stand by that statement. It's not even about the rappers. It's about the fact that studios won't give a Black ACTOR the same chance that they give a musician. And they'll have a ton of "logical" reasons for it all of which, in the end, mask their true motivations -- one of which is a profound disrespect for African-American artists for the sake of the bottom fucking line. And you know what, it's their fucking money. I can't tell them what to do with it. And I will not be drawn into dissing other African-American artists. But there is a subtle insult being perpetrated here over and over and over again by white studio heads that has to be recognized. And addressed.
Your partially right .....

White musicians only get roles if they are HOT ASS girls.......such as

Jessica Simpson who is a dreadful actress
Lindsay Lohan who is not a bad actress but way more popular then she should be.
Stacy Ferguson Not horrible but still so many better unknowns...
Paris Hilton I realize that she was not a musician first...but she still gets thrown into the category of bitches that should not be getting acting roles..


Now for white MALE musicians its very different....they can get a small part such as

Flea in Back To The Future 2
Keith Richards in Pirates of the Caribbean: At World's End
Jon Bon Jovi in Young Guns 2
Tommy Lee in 13th and Wolf


Now I am SURE that there has probably been a white male musician that has had a LEAD role in a film before such as Elvis Presley, Mark Wahlberg or even David Bowie off the top of my head....so I am not saying that it doesnt happen but its VERY rare....

Now for Black actors and actresses its different......Look how many black rappers / singers have turned into big stars such as:

Ice Cube
Will Smith
Queen Latifah
L.L. Cool J
Ludacris he is a rising star...
Janet Jackson back in the day
Beyonce The black Jessica Simpson, meaning eye candy...not an actress.

Not so big stars but still good acting careers:
Mos Def THIS GUY hopefully will be under HUGE actors like Will Smith one day.
Ice T
Ja Rule
Snoop Dog
Isaac Hayes

You ask yourself why.....I think its simple. Rap is so popular and the "coolest" genre of music for young people to like and boom with their high dollar car stereo systems....

This is a sure win to attract younger audiences to film.....I mean do you think teenagers would go see an action film with Ice Cube, Ricky Martin or Clay Aiken starring..... its pretty easy to understand why...rappers carry that thuggish, bad ass, whoop your ass if you fuck with them vibe that white musicians have a hard time pulling off.

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Why do I feel as if this was written VERY safely....lol.....guess your making sure you arent on the couch tonight....

I do agree with you though....I want to play Nightcrawler also....so that I can run through the White House and make the secret service look like Iraqi insurgents..

Actually, we have a Lazy Boy couch. Sleeping on it ISN'T a punishment, believe me.
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You had to hit me where it hurts, didn't you? Ugh... I've been wanting the best for Tate since THE INKWELL, when he turned his MENACE character on a dime and just fucking blew me away with his range.

I agree with you in your points, I really do. But dog damn it, I am so sick and fucking tired of hearing people do the guilty, now prove yourself innocent gig with shit. Us film geeks are a spirited lot, but in actuality, we are a small number of just really loud voices.

Most of the world that watches movies? Filled with the people who say, "Oh, I don't know that much about movies..." but fund every single one of the major studios with their dollars once the merchandising machine goes into effect. THOSE are the people who movie companies listen to. The trend of believing in the fanboys' opinions will soon be a dusty one.
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Most of the world that watches movies? Filled with the people who say, "Oh, I don't know that much about movies..." but fund every single one of the major studios with their dollars once the merchandising machine goes into effect. THOSE are the people who movie companies listen to. The trend of believing in the fanboys' opinions will soon be a dusty one.
Uh, right, baby girl, exactly. I mean, this sounds like we...agree? Are you saying we're stuck with things the way they are so don't hate on 'em? Pray elucidate.

But hey, if this is the case and it pisses us off the only people who might listen to me are ya'll. The practice has been going on for years and shows no signs of waning. So here I bitch.

And I will say this: some of them, Ice Cube of course, is a great example and Outkast have gone out of their way to create opportunities for themselves and you know what? You can NOT fault them for that. More power to 'em. And there is more opportunity out there now than there used to be. I ran off a short list of working actors that are just that, working actors. And that wasn't every one. When I was younger that list used to have about five names...three of which would be comedians and one a musician. Shit, I'm giving up a future column...
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B... funniest story ever for me was when I rented BOYZ N THE HOOD when it was first released on VHS (because they were too afraid to release it in theaters here and I was salivating to see this young, freshman director that everyone was yammering was the next Spike Lee - and that's another funny point, my mother who looks Chumash like my grandfather with the darker complexion and all, but acts whiter than some of the whitest women I've met is a ginormous Spike fan, taking me to every movie that he made that the theaters here released) and my mom passes by the living room and stops.

"Are you watching that one gangster movie they kept talking about?"

"Yeah."

"Is it any good?"

"I just started it, I can't tell yet."

"Well, I've got to go the grocery store, so you can tell me more about it when I get back."

But then she didn't leave. She couldn't. She kept watching the movie (I think she secretly harbors a crush on Fishburne but won't admit it) all the way through to the end, tearing up when Ice Cube talks about the "...Don't know, don't show, or don't care about what's goin' on in the hood..."

As the movie faded to end credits, she wiped her eyes and turned to me and said, "That Ice-T is a pretty damn good actor."

I've teased her relentlessly since.
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